It is really hard to hear what is going on in this video. I can't really hear people other than Raphael. I think they are talking about creative commons the organization started by Lawrence Lessig who wrote free culture. He advocates free transmission of ideas and information which is the basis of DJing and VJing. With out it the whole basis of that art would be taken out. I think in broader terms the free transmission of ideas and information would be beneficial for our society. Copyrights are strange because they do nothing more than say one bit of information is more important than another. Our culture is presently based solely around information and media sadly most is used for advertisements and entertainment than to educate and inform. I wish I could hear it better because this sounds like a great debate.
For the most part I had hard time understanding what was being said because it wasn't loud enough but what I could pick up on was:
Databases and Communities .
Only thing we have of value is our information/intelligence, if its not shared then we can't sustain existence.
Why patens? Why copyright everything? Helping people or making money? Are people so concerned with making money that they wouldn't make a miracle drug available to everyone one, not just the people who can afford it?
Marketable media invades the copyright of conciseness of our own thoughts and dreams.
Most of this conversation I could not hear but I thought Raphael brought up a really interesting point. Any kind of media can create some kind of experience that is embedded in our psych. They do this through films, advertisements, ect. And for the most part we have no control over this experience. However these films and advertisements are copy right.
Right now we live in a world in which every thing comes down to the bottom line aka money. These experiences are not shared with us, they are sold to us. And for the most part (adversisments mainly) we have little control in consuming them. OUr world keeps sharing to a minimum because you cant make money off sharing.
Also it was said that they only valuable thing we have is information and intelligence. On this note you could bring up why are we at university? Is it because we have the true desire to learn for our own satisfaction or so we ourselves are more marketable with a degree.
Like everyone else has mentioned, very difficult to understand everything. Are they not even speaking english?? It doesn't sound like it....I can only understand Raphaels voice.
The people who make all these movies and media are invading our copy-write of concisnous (spelling?) Iv never really thought about this and I think it is a excellent point. this makes me think about you tube and its copy write statement. Who is has copy-write to all the media on you tube? Is it you tube when you upload a homemade video? In reality it is a form of media just like movies and television except the people who upload these videos on there own dont worry about other users sharing there video, what really happens with this free share is it helps make it easier to promote yourself and eventually get recognized and possibly make money, if not money fame. I think copy-write laws are going to go under a big change for the better or worse depending on what side you are on in the very near future as the internet and new media expands.
Just as most everyone has stated, this video was very hard to hear and understand. Along with the overseas accent and medicore audio quality, the overal message and information was too hard to understand.
I believe Raph mentioned how we live in such a self centered society. Due to the many and often negative messages the society sends us, we concentrate on our self images far too much. The society sends us messages of how to look, what to wear, what to buy, and what to do with our lives and we as a society, suffocated by the overwhelming amount of messages sent our way are forced to listen to the messages. The sad truth is that most, if not all of these messages exist because the businesses and corporations that send out these messages want to make money. It will be a glorious day when society stops looking at itself on the outside and rather begins to look at itself on the inside.
Much of what I took from Bootlab seems to be reiterated here in that the idea is the free transfer of information and ideas as opposed to the overwhelming push to copyright and protect ideas and inventions.
As Neil has stated, we live in a culture that puts a price tag on anything in the public and this seems to sort of hinder creativity because it attempts to create an end goal before the conceptual process has even begun. Creating and thinking about artistic projects really begins with a passion and ends with the final result however the creator envisioned it (and often times not). With money at the end of the rainbow for some "creative" ideas today, we are fueling a new kind of artistic process that tries to put a box around the vast landscape that is creativity and innovation. Raph's comment about organizing religion as a sort of sustainable structure is being repeated from history today in organizing the (often argued) capitalist system that we have in our nation today.
What she said about collective intelligence and collaboration was interesting. A common theme I have heard is about the free sharing of information. When an idea is copyrighted, that inhibits the full exploration of that topic. I read an article recently, written by Michael Chrichton, about how certain human genes have been copyrighted, making some of the basic levels of our existence someone's property to be used for profit.(however, he is also a strong supporter of intellectual Property rights. In the context of VJing, it would provide an opportunity for conversations to develop via adaptations of another's work. It made me think of it as a central mind, with various sensors gathering information. Or more of an example of cellular reproduction, as people sample each other's information, and adapt it to suit their needs.
I found with lecture (as most of the others) difficult to hear. THe sound quality and the echo make it difficult to here clearly, and I feel I only caught bits and pieces, that is except when Ra[h talked, I could here crystal clear, I think for possible future lecture recordings a microphone would be key. "Free exchange and benefit of ideas" The structure of the system for the market
"The people who make movies and cinema and market media invade the copyright of or own personal copyright of our own personal intellect and thought and dreams" A film becomes part of a human experience. The discussion of copyright of experiences very interesting to look at. The fidelity of having to work for the market and the web you have to try to maneuver withe copyright and what the market wants. I have definitely notices a different within the majors at university, between the Media/art majors and most of the others, who appear to me to be more competitive within the major because they feel the pressure of having to patten ideas or theories and keep others from taking them, but within media we share our work and in contrast, work together to create ideas, and encourage the sharing of ideas. I wonder how things would be if there was no copyright laws, should it be a more lenient law, but with some standards, or should it be a completely free sharing of ideas and theories?
Undoubtedlly, the quest for commercial appeal is responsible for the horrible sameness we see in all media across the board. People are comfortablel with certain themes and mediums, and venturing outside these is a dangerous ordeal for media-generators. While our capitalist society is partially to blame for this, it is also the fault of the content providers. People like what they like, but its always possible to "trick" someone into liking something new. In a world of totally free transmission of ideas, art, and media, you must consider that people's will to create would be significantly weaker.
I agree with Patrick completely. It's ridiculous the amount of unoriginal material that's generated with the sole purpose of appealing to the masses. I also thought that Raphael's comments later in the lecture was very compelling. He's correct, the world we live in isn't sustainable. Not only is it unsustainable, but the inventions and creations generated to help the environment are being patented and sold at ridiculous prices based on supply and demand. Things such as installing solar panel lighting simply isn't reasonable considering the strict budgets that companies and Universities are restricted to.
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It is really hard to hear what is going on in this video. I can't really hear people other than Raphael. I think they are talking about creative commons the organization started by Lawrence Lessig who wrote free culture. He advocates free transmission of ideas and information which is the basis of DJing and VJing. With out it the whole basis of that art would be taken out. I think in broader terms the free transmission of ideas and information would be beneficial for our society. Copyrights are strange because they do nothing more than say one bit of information is more important than another. Our culture is presently based solely around information and media sadly most is used for advertisements and entertainment than to educate and inform. I wish I could hear it better because this sounds like a great debate.
For the most part I had hard time understanding what was being said because it wasn't loud enough but what I could pick up on was:
Databases and Communities .
Only thing we have of value is our information/intelligence, if its not shared then we can't sustain existence.
Why patens? Why copyright everything? Helping people or making money? Are people so concerned with making money that they wouldn't make a miracle drug available to everyone one, not just the people who can afford it?
Marketable media invades the copyright of conciseness of our own thoughts and dreams.
Most of this conversation I could not hear but I thought Raphael brought up a really interesting point. Any kind of media can create some kind of experience that is embedded in our psych. They do this through films, advertisements, ect. And for the most part we have no control over this experience. However these films and advertisements are copy right.
Right now we live in a world in which every thing comes down to the bottom line aka money. These experiences are not shared with us, they are sold to us. And for the most part (adversisments mainly) we have little control in consuming them. OUr world keeps sharing to a minimum because you cant make money off sharing.
Also it was said that they only valuable thing we have is information and intelligence. On this note you could bring up why are we at university? Is it because we have the true desire to learn for our own satisfaction or so we ourselves are more marketable with a degree.
Like everyone else has mentioned, very difficult to understand everything. Are they not even speaking english?? It doesn't sound like it....I can only understand Raphaels voice.
The people who make all these movies and media are invading our copy-write of concisnous (spelling?) Iv never really thought about this and I think it is a excellent point. this makes me think about you tube and its copy write statement. Who is has copy-write to all the media on you tube? Is it you tube when you upload a homemade video? In reality it is a form of media just like movies and television except the people who upload these videos on there own dont worry about other users sharing there video, what really happens with this free share is it helps make it easier to promote yourself and eventually get recognized and possibly make money, if not money fame. I think copy-write laws are going to go under a big change for the better or worse depending on what side you are on in the very near future as the internet and new media expands.
Just as most everyone has stated, this video was very hard to hear and understand. Along with the overseas accent and medicore audio quality, the overal message and information was too hard to understand.
I believe Raph mentioned how we live in such a self centered society. Due to the many and often negative messages the society sends us, we concentrate on our self images far too much. The society sends us messages of how to look, what to wear, what to buy, and what to do with our lives and we as a society, suffocated by the overwhelming amount of messages sent our way are forced to listen to the messages. The sad truth is that most, if not all of these messages exist because the businesses and corporations that send out these messages want to make money. It will be a glorious day when society stops looking at itself on the outside and rather begins to look at itself on the inside.
Hard to understand, you saw it coming.
Much of what I took from Bootlab seems to be reiterated here in that the idea is the free transfer of information and ideas as opposed to the overwhelming push to copyright and protect ideas and inventions.
As Neil has stated, we live in a culture that puts a price tag on anything in the public and this seems to sort of hinder creativity because it attempts to create an end goal before the conceptual process has even begun. Creating and thinking about artistic projects really begins with a passion and ends with the final result however the creator envisioned it (and often times not). With money at the end of the rainbow for some "creative" ideas today, we are fueling a new kind of artistic process that tries to put a box around the vast landscape that is creativity and innovation. Raph's comment about organizing religion as a sort of sustainable structure is being repeated from history today in organizing the (often argued) capitalist system that we have in our nation today.
What she said about collective intelligence and collaboration was interesting. A common theme I have heard is about the free sharing of information. When an idea is copyrighted, that inhibits the full exploration of that topic. I read an article recently, written by Michael Chrichton, about how certain human genes have been copyrighted, making some of the basic levels of our existence someone's property to be used for profit.(however, he is also a strong supporter of intellectual Property rights.
In the context of VJing, it would provide an opportunity for conversations to develop via adaptations of another's work.
It made me think of it as a central mind, with various sensors gathering information. Or more of an example of cellular reproduction, as people sample each other's information, and adapt it to suit their needs.
I found with lecture (as most of the others) difficult to hear. THe sound quality and the echo make it difficult to here clearly, and I feel I only caught bits and pieces, that is except when Ra[h talked, I could here crystal clear, I think for possible future lecture recordings a microphone would be key.
"Free exchange and benefit of ideas"
The structure of the system for the market
"The people who make movies and cinema and market media invade the copyright of or own personal copyright of our own personal intellect and thought and dreams" A film becomes part of a human experience.
The discussion of copyright of experiences very interesting to look at. The fidelity of having to work for the market and the web you have to try to maneuver withe copyright and what the market wants.
I have definitely notices a different within the majors at university, between the Media/art majors and most of the others, who appear to me to be more competitive within the major because they feel the pressure of having to patten ideas or theories and keep others from taking them, but within media we share our work and in contrast, work together to create ideas, and encourage the sharing of ideas.
I wonder how things would be if there was no copyright laws, should it be a more lenient law, but with some standards, or should it be a completely free sharing of ideas and theories?
Undoubtedlly, the quest for commercial appeal is responsible for the horrible sameness we see in all media across the board. People are comfortablel with certain themes and mediums, and venturing outside these is a dangerous ordeal for media-generators. While our capitalist society is partially to blame for this, it is also the fault of the content providers. People like what they like, but its always possible to "trick" someone into liking something new. In a world of totally free transmission of ideas, art, and media, you must consider that people's will to create would be significantly weaker.
I agree with Patrick completely. It's ridiculous the amount of unoriginal material that's generated with the sole purpose of appealing to the masses. I also thought that Raphael's comments later in the lecture was very compelling. He's correct, the world we live in isn't sustainable. Not only is it unsustainable, but the inventions and creations generated to help the environment are being patented and sold at ridiculous prices based on supply and demand. Things such as installing solar panel lighting simply isn't reasonable considering the strict budgets that companies and Universities are restricted to.
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