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I can't find any information on the software that Raph and Ilan are talking about. An artist is an artist, the medium that they work with does not really matter. An artists voice can be described by what medium they use. But new media artists do set themselves apart with the medium they use; old and new. Video is one new medium. But I do not think video can stand on it's own without audio. VJing is a perfect example. The video does more with the audio as audio does more with video.
I have never thought of the telephone as a medium for art but there are some people that are bad with telephones. Smell the VJ.
I have to disagree with Jacob, I think video can stand on its own without audio although audio is definitely very powerful. It can certainly make or break the video. I would definitely prefer not to watch a silent film but people did it in the early stages of film. There are certain films that continually have song after song after score after sound effect and there are others, slower films, that have long silences. I think they both work, it just depends on the mood and the message that you want to portray.
Ilan mentions the image as an entrapment and that we are constantly disintegrating ourselves by the amount of images we are subjected to; our brain becomes overloaded. It certainly is a deadly feedback system. I feel like social networking is counter productive and self destructive at times. Who is this online personality? Some days I just don't know how I feel about new media.
Art to be more like life, always changing. Seems to be the best way to talking about VJ-ing.
Everyone uses tools in different ways.
Finding your voice in a program. Probably one of the hardest things to do is find your voice and what medium to convey it.
Either the audience is the performer, or you are.
Audio, video and some sort of energy (energy=human being). Everything needs a human element to it, without a human element what do you have?
Its just about access.
audio vs. video. Audio can be a very powerful influnece in any kind of expereince. But Video with out audio can also be very strong. I remember watching the film the red ballon over and over as a child. The film is almost completely silent. And still this film had a huge impact on me. Video and audio create a different expereicne for each person. Some times it beings out the 'it' factor for some and other times and it can just be a boring silent film.
Ilan brought up that there may be too many distractions in with media, mainly watching ourselves. Maybe its the constant over stimulation that makes us think that the combination of both video and audio is always beter.
Iv noticed alot of the "older" adults I have listened too or read about that are visual digital artist now all started with drawing or painting before they use digital software. You can see the influence it has had on alot of digital artist work as well (katrina mcpherson). I think now that our generation has computers everywhere to use we have forgotten the importance of traditional art of drawing and painting and we all want to just jump into the computer screen and get to work and forget the sketches and thumbnails.
I agree with what Jess Lavoie says on how a video can stand on its own without audio, but I think it will be a much more difficult thing to achieve as compared to using audio. Sometimes the silence of a video can be the most powerful part. What if you go in patterns of noise and then silence? Silence is catchy, original and different. "it just has to connect and have energy" Something beyond just pressing a button.
*"Whatevers there learn to use it in a way that is unique to YOU. Just follow your heart"
-"its not necessarily a revolution, its just easier access"
Jake...
I saw that you said you couldn't find any information on th program they were talking about. The program is just spelled a little strange. It's called "Modul8" instead of the assumed "Modulate." I'm pretty sure you can get a free 30 day trial which is definitely worth checking out.
I particularly liked this lecture because I was familiar with the program in which Raph and Katin were talking about. While Katin described how he tried other things before coming to "VJ-ing" it made me think about what he said about "finding your voice." I don't think finding your voice necessarily has to do with finding the right technology, but actually finding out a way to use the technology in a way that interests you and helps express your inner voice as an artist. Modul8 has many different uses and effects you can apply to video but painting, as Katin said, was a use I was unaware of. I like how katin uses a program in a way that was not the programs main use, but that use helped him find his inner voice and expressions. Just to note on painting in modul8, I liked how katin said how live the video is and how that in itself is an art form that is very powerful, something that anyone would be attracted to.
Hello 304.
Chris. It is not so much about VJ'ing. Or maybe it is that VJ'ing is one of the keys to destroying the barrier between art and life?
Actually there is a trend for 'full immersion systems' that I am not too eager to see unfold because this gives people an opportunity to shut off. I prefer a balance between experience and awareness. This is a thread that can be found in comedy films where the actor turns to the camera and addresses the audience. It's important to remain in tune and alert. Always question what you read or see. Share the questions with others.
Don't take my word for it.
Jess... interesting that you took the disintegration line into social networking sites. Like all technologies, thoughts, can be good or bad depending on the point of view. The viewing ones self reminds me of a line from a documentary called 'the big bang' where the director of Flashdance told this story of how he would lock himself in the bathroom, look in the mirror and repeat his name over and over again. In this process he discovered that he had lost touch with whom he was. What does one look at when they log on to Facebook? If you leave your own page into unknown profiles to people you don't know? Maybe you stumble on something that catches your attention? How soon do you start hitting the 'back' button repeatedly to get 'back' to your circle?
It is very strange for me to be quoted. The moments after this interview were surreal. I went on a monologue with my girlfriend about how I would be tried in a court over the things I had said.
You all are very lucky to have Raph as your teacher. He is very inspiring and it was delightful to have him at the Mapping Festival.
Sorry to keep it short.
I suppose this post will mainly highlight my naivety with VJ; it's creative development and it's process.
Initially hearing of Ilan's background in traditional art, I wasn't surprised because many "new media" artists come from traditional backgrounds and then find something that speaks to them that draws them out of that mold and into their own passionate endeavors. Ilan's speaking of drawing physically as well as drawing in real-time in different pieces shows how we take old ideas and adapt them to fulfill our own personal interests. Finding your voice, the overall theme that I retrieved from this lecture, includes not only the research and study of different forms of expression, but also the development of one's own personal skills and creative growth.
I enjoyed his final comment on convergence and the way that audio seems to exist within many different staples of art or expression (these two don't have to be considered together). With the ultimate inevitability of converging new media tools and a seemingly heavy passion in visual representation of ideas, audio as a medium needs to find it's niche or role in the future of art.
I watched 2 of his visual performances on youtube and it's ridiculously creative stuff. It's a really interesting way to present his minimalist style. From the interview I get the feeling that what he does today isn't a style that he's used forever. However it's really interesting how he's molded the software to cater to his individual style. It's definitely unique and really shows how you can use any medium to perform or portray something different. I think that later in the interview he had some really interesting realistic points about how much art is being produced these days and his metaphor saying "some people are really bad at using the telephone" was a really good way to put it. I also enjoyed his idea of breaking things down into three different things Video + Audio + Something you can't put your finger on. I also thought the conversation towards the end about seeing yourself and thus disintegrating was a very fascinating comment that I completely agree with.
The idea of how you pick a type of software was interesting, comparing it to the mediums within painting, (aka type of brush/style)
find you voice within software
It was interesting to listen to him talk about this transition from being a painter to the live drawing he does within the vjing, and how it works and the challenges it creates
Several people have mentioned it, and I'm going to as well. I've noticed that fewer of the people I hear about started in the traditional fine arts, before moving on to video. It is interesting that as time is going on, it is becoming more acceptable for an artist to use what ever tools they feel like to achieve their creative goals.
Reading Ilan's post I noticed his comment about total immersion being a trend that he hopes we avoid. I have seen the things we do are leaning more towards disassociation from the real world. Though passive response to media has been going on for a while.
This session suggests to me that New Media is a dangerous name for what we do here. I hear so much emphasis on the "newness" of the mediums being used. Video isn't really a new medium. People have been making groundbreaking, avante-garde art with video for more than 40 years. We cant count on anything to be "new" for more than a few days. Gadget fetishism sometimes seems to override creativity in the new media major. I feel The age of a medium is essentially irrelevant, so long as it is being used in a new way, or pushed further than it ever has.
Hello Again,
Isaac your point about it becoming more and more acceptable for artist to not come from an art background is solid. It is definitely true in the 'high' art world where a lot of production is handed over to craftsmen just like a film director uses actors etc. There is also a counter to this where people feel that this type of 'produced' art is cold and that this has an effect on how the art world as a whole. That is not the only reason for this but the main result is that there is a loss of community and intimacy with artists. Commodification and the jet age has somewhat re-defined the gap between the creator and his/her audience. But that is a choice of the artist and cannot be used as a blanket statement. It is something to be conscious of.
There was something about the environment in the Mapping Festival that felt like those barriers melted somewhat. I like the idea that at this festival we don't invite big names per say. In fact experience has shown that when a big name visualist collective was invited the results were rather unsatisfying. So there is a social atmosphere be cultivated on top of the curatorial integrity.
Back to this issue of audience here is an interesting post from an artist from New York that I keep track of in my RSS reader.
http://www.tommoody.us/archives/2008/05/04/working-for-non-conforming-publics/
... and lastly here is another piece of shameless self promotion...
http://www.vimeo.com/985138
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